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Yay for Philosophy!

So sopdetly and I were talking tonight, and we had a great conversation about religion, faith, and what we think it's about that I couldn't resist sharing. All hail Douglas Adams, by the way.

io_aenaria: okay, I love this quote of Entil's:
io_aenaria: I accept that I am on a journey, but I also believe that the journey is the point of the exercise. Has anyone really found an answer that cannot be contradicted by another point of view?

damnyellowcap: i KNOW.
damnyellowcap: this is why he's my hero.
damnyellowcap: hehehe

io_aenaria: that's exactly it. It's not the end result, but what happens on your way to discovering it.

damnyellowcap: I am a student of Entilism! XD

io_aenaria: Personally, I don't think i'm ever going to reach that end result, you know? but I will forever be journeying and learning and learning about myself, and that's what matters more than anything else....HEE! :D

damnyellowcap: in a way... i kinda don't want to reach the end, you know?

io_aenaria: exactly. although, really, how can you reach the end in an ever-evolving and ever changing world?

damnyellowcap: and who's to say that the end is in a place where humanity can achieve it? if string theory and higher physics is right, then there could be 10 dimensions, and as humans we just can't transcend the 3rd

io_aenaria: and even if we break through into the fourth, fifth, sixth, beyond...who knows what we'll discover...even when we have the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, we never figured out the question, so do we really have all of the answers? No, we still have to keep exploring and keep learning. That's the point of life, to grow, to better oneself (I think, if I remember correctly, some eastern religions liked this idea too)--and to keep learning.

damnyellowcap: yup, that seems to be the basic principle of reincarnation, going through many many lives, until one can achieve nirvana. I like Hinduism's macro-reincarnation, where in the whole universe will eventually die and be reborn *g*

io_aenaria: I think Hitchhiker's nailed that last one too ;-)
io_aenaria: Which quote was it....aw, it should be at the bottom of that last e-mail I sent you. ;-) I am a full believer in reincarnation. Maybe it's the perpetual student in me, I dunno, but it just makes sense

damnyellowcap: i think the whole 42 being the answer but what was the question is one of the greatest philosophical things in the world :D

io_aenaria: isn't it? :D Adams knew what he was talking about. You need both parts to really answer everything, but it;s inevitable we're never going to get it (ineffible, maybe *g*). And if we do..."There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for, and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened."

damnyellowcap: lovely

io_aenaria: you know, I'm glad we can agree on that. :D It's not about the answer, it's about the journey, and you need to take the right path for yourself to get there. Woot. ;-)

damnyellowcap: so very much

io_aenaria: yay for us!

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mosinging1986
Jan. 9th, 2006 06:23 pm (UTC)
It's not about the answer, it's about the journey

I heard that same sentence today... somewhere. Argh, I hate when that happens.

I, for one, like to come to some answers at some point. About... something at least. Otherwise what's the point of spinning around in circles for a lifetime?
io_aenaria
Jan. 9th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC)
For me, answers can be so subjective though, you know? What answers a question for one doesn't always do it for another. What answers a question about something profound for you might make me go "Huh? That just isn't right." Maybe the answer, for me at least, is that there are no answers. Spinning around in circles implies that no growth or changes are being made in life, and that's the last thing I'm talking about. That really screams anti-life to me. Even if you don't discover the ultimate answer to something along your path, you're still learning and growing as a person. That doesn't sound like nothing to me.
mosinging1986
Jan. 9th, 2006 06:51 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure how we can have something to grow toward, or how we can learn anything if... there are really no answers to be found and nothing that can be really known. But then, that's me.

:::shrug:::
io_aenaria
Jan. 9th, 2006 07:16 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, that doesn't seem quite what I was trying to say though. I never said that there were no answers at all to be found, but that there's no ultimate answer. There are answers everywhere, but none of them are a perfect clear cut answer to the 'why are we here?' And who's to say that once we think we find that ultimate answer, some higher power or whatever you believe in then says 'Uh uh, wait one second there--' then flips everything upsidedown rightsideup.

There was something I heard in a class once. I think the statement was by Socrates: "The wisest man knows he knows nothing." But I never thought that it was saying that nothing can really be known. I always took it to mean that nothing is definite, and everything is through the eyes of the beholder. If you think that there is an ultimate answer in this life, and that works for you, awesome. If it makes you happy and makes you feel like your life is good, go for it! :D

I'm a perpetual student though, whether it be in a college class or not. I'd rather journey, see what's out there and see what I can discover and learn. I know that I'll never know everything, and that it may take me more than one lifetime to even get a small portion of those journeys covered. But no matter what, believing this makes me feel like my life makes sense. And that works perfectly for me. ;)
mosinging1986
Jan. 9th, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
Well alrighty then!
io_aenaria
Jan. 9th, 2006 07:42 pm (UTC)
Aww, come on, I was so looking forward to a fascinating discussion of varied beliefs! *pouts* *giggles* ;)
mosinging1986
Jan. 9th, 2006 07:55 pm (UTC)
Brain is shot, and these things seem to end badly lately. Why can't these conversations take place during normal hours when people are AWAKE?
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